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Djokovic’s best superior to Fed and Rafa says Lopez

DjokartChalk up another tennis expert who believes Novak Djokovic’s best tennis is better than that of Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal – Feliciano Lopez. The veteran lefty Spaniard who has played Djokovic Federer and Nadal multiple times each told journalist Blair Henley this week in Houston that “When Rafa and Roger were at their best they weren’t as great as Djokovic is now.” Lopez is the only player to defeat Djokovic this year which he did in Dubai when the ATP world no 1 retired down a set with vision problems. A recovered Djokovic avenged the loss to Lopez in Indian Wells with a routine straight set victory. Earlier this year in Doha after getting blitzed by Djokovic in the final in two quick sets Nadal stated with high praise that it was the “best tennis” he had ever seen. In similar sentiments: Nick Bollettieri told me in Miami that Djokovic is “the most perfect player in the history of tennis.” (Djokovic art by Andres Bella)

51 comments

  • Scoop Malinowski · April 7, 2016 at 9:05 pm

    Id say F Lo is highly qualified to say this – F Lo tellin it like it is –

  • Gaurang · April 8, 2016 at 1:25 am

    Yeah I believe in this. Even though Fed and Nadal’s high points were very, very high, Djokovic’s best is slightly higher. I have always maintained that Djokovic at his best would defeat Fedal’s best in a set of 20 matches. He will win more than he looses. In the beginning he may loose, but he will fight and then start winning. By the end of 20 matches, he would have won more than 50% of the matches.

    This is normal. In every sport, sportsmen go further than previous generation. They have to, in order to be the best. And also they set their targets higher than the records that were previously recorded. For example, Sampras simply set his target as getting more than 12 slams. Federer, set his target as getting more than 15 slams. Now Novak has set his target to be 17 or higher — he will try to be consistent over a longer time so as to be able to get to 17 or higher, even though he peaked at a later age. I think it is possible that he will get to 17, though its very difficult since he is already 28.

    I think Kyrgios has the potential to go beyond Novak. If he gets his mind right and his attitude right, he could go higher than Novak’s peak. He has the game — ability to serve very well, and to go for winners very early in rallies. He also can defend well.

  • Dan Markowitz · April 8, 2016 at 4:55 am

    Michael Jordan is an exception. He entered the NBA in 1985 I believe, and there still has not been a player w his complete game to surpass his level. Also, Kyrgios may be lucky to win 5 slams, 17 is impossible. I’ll walk backwards in only a thong and a cigar in my mouth if Kyrgios ever wins 17 slams on the first day of qualis at the Us Open. Djoko is a late developer in the slam game, but Kyrgios is 21 and he hasn’t won a slam yet and all the big multi-slam winners had notched their first slam by 21.

  • Scoop Malinowski · April 8, 2016 at 7:48 am

    Gaurang: It’s obvious by now Djokovic has taken tennis to a new higher level post Rafa Fed – Djokovic won two masters series at 19 and 20 and was in his first major final at age 20 – Kyrgios is not quite on that fast rate of progress though his potential is fascinating – we saw how far Djokovic progressed from the age of 19/20 to now – Kyrgios also has enormous potential to become a devastatingly lethal and dominant player – perhaps he will need to hire a “legend coach” who can maximize and harness that potential – if he ever becomes interested in full time coaching I think Agassi would bring out the best in Nick though Agassi working as a coach is as likely as Connors coaching mcEnroe in 90 – which almost actually happened – I saw a video interview where John and Jimmy actually shook hands on the air with Bud Collins about working together after John’s first round Wimbledon loss to Rostagno – of course this partnership never happened –

  • Scoop Malinowski · April 8, 2016 at 7:51 am

    Dan that would be quite hilarious – more hilarious than you walking on all fours like a dog for that lost wager to Tommy boy 🙂 Kyrgios is just 20 so he has plenty of cracks left for winning something significant before 21 –

  • Scoop Malinowski · April 8, 2016 at 8:55 am

    Kozlov gets into Gaudaloupe Challenger as an ALT and beats Krajicek in straights then a French player and is into QF – Fritz also into QF after beating Gonzalo Lama of Chile in a 3 set marathon – Last week I was hitting on the next court to Lama in Key Biscayne – Lama hits the hell out of the ball – not a big guy but very powerful hitter – he was hitting with Nicolas Jarry another Chilean on the court next to us – I asked Jarry about marcelo Rios and he said Rios doesn’t play anymore but he does help the Davis Cup team and travels to away ties too – said he does cross training and boxing training but doesn’t like to play tennis anymore – his back isn’t right and once he got to no 1 the fire went out – he did all he wanted to do in tennis – no 1 in the world is as good as it gets –

  • Moskova Moskova · April 8, 2016 at 9:21 am

    djoko’s boring….will someone pls take this guy out pls !!!

  • Scoop Malinowski · April 8, 2016 at 9:28 am

    Djokovic is an electrifying sensation – how he makes tennis look easy against two of the greatest most driven champions in history (and everybody else) is absolutely awe inspiring.

  • Andrew Miller · April 8, 2016 at 10:35 am

    Kyrgios capable of slam in ’16, and one of two players, of any age, capable of beating the entire field this year. Doesn’t mean he will 🙁 Only that he has the game to do so.

    Young guy, can recover between matches. Serve his way out of trouble. Hit winners when necessary. Pretty darn consistent. Maintains his momentum across matches. Has a full array of shots, an outstanding understanding of the court whether a huge arena or a back court. That’s all what the best players of all time had in common.

  • Andrew Miller · April 8, 2016 at 10:39 am

    I like Djokovic. Not surprised Lopez said this – I saw Lopez get destroyed by a pre-slam Djokovic. Lopez didn’t get much more than a handful of points in the first set.

    Frankly for that match I think Lopez went in completely unprepared and may even have been hitting south beach before the match. I don’t think Djokovic was old enough yet for south beach – he had his entire family (it was huge!). At that time I thought Djokovic was the next Sampras.

    Little did I know he was the next SAMPRAGASSI.

  • Andrew Miller · April 8, 2016 at 10:45 am

    re: robots. I think we’ve talked about this before. To be the top dog in tennis TODAY a player does become a robot. Nadal was more “exciting” back in 2004 when he came on the scene but in 2010 he looked like a robot too as he assumed the top spot. The grooved Federer, despite having the most brilliant array of shots in history, also was a robot – even for his artistry every match looked pretty similar. Djokovic is no different.

    I think what people are upset with is that he has no competition. And when you have no rival, no one who can upset the status quo, it does become boring. Excellence is very boring. But the opposite of this dominance – which is chaos, as we’re seeing on the WTA tour, is similar. We don’t know who’ll win every week. There is no “face” of the tour. There is no “rivalry” to keep people interested.

    So what I think everyone wants is a rivalry. Someone who can get good enough, fast enough to make matches interesting with Djokovic. That brings out the best in the game anyways.

  • Andrew Miller · April 8, 2016 at 10:48 am

    Graf’s dominance was boring. But when Seles came on the scene, tennis got exciting. Then when the Williams upended the tennis establishment, that was exciting too.

    But tennis follows these patterns. A player establishes dominance. The rest of the field is sucking wind. Then a challenger emerges. Then we have a rivalry. Then that guy’s turn is up, the tour breaks apart, and there’s parity. We had a little of that with Wawrinka, Cilic winning some slams. That’s over now.

  • Scoop Malinowski · April 8, 2016 at 12:01 pm

    Andrew: Kyrgios showed he is right there in the ballpark with Nishikori who is a bonafide top six player – So I would say Kyrgios is playing top ten tennis despite what his ranking says – at age 20 he is virtually a top ten player – the sky is the limit for Nick –

  • Moskova Moskova · April 8, 2016 at 12:03 pm

    get me Vaughn ! LOL 😉

  • Scoop Malinowski · April 8, 2016 at 12:10 pm

    Fed vs Djokovic is still the rivalry that intrigues – because the matches are still always hard fought bitter struggles for Djokovic to subdue the feisty plucky Fed who we know is the most determined force driven to dethrone Djokovic – As Djokovic dominates the world the most agitated player suffering this reality has to be Fed and so their titanic duels are always excellent theater – nothing remotely boring about Djokovic vs Federer – people always play the boring card when the one champion is far and away the best – they did it to Sampras Larry Holmes the Klitschko brothers and Lennox Lewis too – I don’t fine Djokovic to be boring at all – like you say Andrew: “Excellence is never boring” — only to the boring minded 😉

  • Andrew Miller · April 8, 2016 at 12:14 pm

    Scoop – Pete Bodo @Tennis.com agrees with you. He put Thiem and Kyrgios in top 10 by year’s end.

  • Andrew Miller · April 8, 2016 at 12:22 pm

    Scoop, Djokovic’s dominance (the “way” he dominates, not his superb record of domination) reminds me of Agassi after he “woke up” at age 29.

    I watched Agassi and it was quite something to see him work the magic. The skill, etc. Putting the ball exactly where he wanted. A lot of artistry to it.

    Saw Agassi once beat Blake – though it wasn’t a rout. It was a situation where Agassi barely won! He won in a match that looked as if he had actually lost. That’s what separates the best from the rest really – you can find a way to win when the chips really are against you.

  • Dan Markowitz · April 8, 2016 at 12:28 pm

    Firstly,Kyrgios is turning 21 this month. Secondly, Kei dominated him in that match, straight sets. So Kyrgios winning a slam in ’16 is highly unlikely.

    Finally, Djoko is beautiful as a player in regards to his form and movement, but he’s a monotonous player. He doesn’t have the excitement of an Agassi who finished points quicker for the most part. He doesn’t have the volleying grace of a Johnny Mac or Federer and just from a physical perspective and how he carries himself, it’s like he’s cut from that German cloth of his tennis junior days and now with Becker as his coach, which is kind of cold, militaristic in his bearing and the way he approaches the game and the guy is just made from a tough exterior even though he’s kind of kooky. He doesn’t have a game young players look at–I think–the way I did with Johnny Mac or others did with Borg or Agassi or Sampras, and want to copy his style, his demeanor. He strangles opponents rather than beating them in a flashy or stylistically-pleasing way.

  • Scoop Malinowski · April 8, 2016 at 12:32 pm

    Andrew: Pete Bodo is aware of the obvious 🙂 But yeah it’s no big revelation to say those two will be top 10 – well on their way to top five and beyond –

  • Scoop Malinowski · April 8, 2016 at 12:35 pm

    Andrew: It’s a sense of the ultra elite players just know they are going to win – we have seen it over and over – the ultra elite player is struggling and on the ropes and staggered by a guy playing lights out – then he suddenly hits that “win” button and he wins the battle – over and over and over we saw Hewitt Fed Rafa Pete Andre and Djokovic do this – over and over and over—-

  • Scoop Malinowski · April 8, 2016 at 12:41 pm

    Dan: I see Djokovic as far more fluid and elegant and cohesive than Agassi – sure there are instances when Djok has to get down and dirty and has to ‘ugly’ it out – but his style of play is pure elegance and aesthetically pleasing to the eye – Agassi never stretched a day in his life – Djokovic is a hard core stretcher and yoga guru and it’s very evident in his style of play – seeing Djokovic play so violently and run around the court and stretch and contort his very flexible body like a ballet superstar is very very inspiring —

  • Moskova Moskova · April 8, 2016 at 1:42 pm

    djoko’s boring – he’s not boring to bored people 😉

    now, kyrgios / thiem…they are definitely not boring.

  • Andrew Miller · April 8, 2016 at 1:42 pm

    Dan, I think the Djokovic game is a combination of a lot of players – I think he’s really studied up and absorbed it, then advanced it – especially in the defense to offense category. Technically outstanding.

    I think everyone has a problem with domination. No one liked when Lendl did it. Then it was Sampras. Then Agassi. Then Federer. Then Nadal. Now Djokovic. No one likes it. The sport does best when there are rivalries. Problem is there’s no rival to Djokovic in big tournaments. No one.

    Jon Wertheim at SI leaned this way this week. He said there’s a real case there’s a “big one”. I think Tignor said something like this too at tennis.com.

    From how I see it, I don’t put it past Kyrgios to pull a shock the world slam victory result, even as soon as this year. Pete Bodo had both Kyrgios and Thiem making slam semifinals this year. I’d go further than say that if Kyrgios gets Federer in a semifinal, he can beat him, make a final and play Djokovic – even if it’s Wimbledon!

    I also hold an out-there opinion that a French player will rise to the occasion at Roland Garros and make the semis or the finals. Finally.

    As for my prediction of a U.S. player in a slam quarter – the odds are dropping to zero for sure. Maybe Tommy Paul can pull off a miracle and make the French quarters. He lost to Chung in three the other day in Houston. But if you can’t win in Houston…you may not be able to make it far in Paris.

  • Dan Markowitz · April 8, 2016 at 3:47 pm

    You’re going off the rail here. Paul has as much chance of winning Roland Garros, he lost 2 and 2 to Chung in last two sets of Houston, as Bjorn Frantangelo, where your reasoning might be, “Hey, he won Junior French maybe he can pull off winning the big event.”

    And besides Monfils, there’s no French player who can get to a finals and Monfils has shown time and again that even though he’s the best French clay court player, he doesn’t have the wherewithal to win a big event.

  • Krzysztof · April 8, 2016 at 4:35 pm

    Djokovic volleys and smashes remind me skills of Agassi – these shots are mediocre. Every number one player had a weakness in his game – Edberg had forehand, Sampras – backhand, Federer – backhand (although much improved later on), Lendl and Agassi – volleys.

  • Krzysztof · April 8, 2016 at 4:41 pm

    Djokovic is mechanical and robotic. He can’t accelerate or play such clean winners as Edberg, Henman, Rafter, Blake, Sampras or Agassi did. Yes, his game has been adapted but he can simply make me asleep with his repeating combo of shots.

  • Rob · April 8, 2016 at 7:06 pm

    This one’s been up before on TP. I’d like to throw my hat in with Dan. Look djok is an awesome force blah blah blah – no argument. But the guy lacks charisma. Speaks well; catches the ball in his pocket. But he isn’t Rafa or Roger. He’s not Scoop. You must feel it/see it.

  • Scoop Malinowski · April 8, 2016 at 7:27 pm

    Andrew I like the Paul pick – he looked incredibly tough vs Chung just inexperience hurt at the end – Paul has the firepower and the arsenal to really surge up the ranks fast – Like Guga did in Paris – Watch out for Paul – within two years he’s going to cause huge shockwaves in ATP – Yes the Big Four narrative is over – Djokovic destroyed that concept last week – we have entered the Novaknopoly era –

  • Scoop Malinowski · April 8, 2016 at 7:30 pm

    Djokovic can indeed unleash winners but he elects to play intelligent conservative grind you down tennis – Like Lendl used to only show 60% of what he could do at the onset of the set then he would unleash his 100% only when needed – I read this years ago – Djokovic plays it that way too –

  • Scoop Malinowski · April 8, 2016 at 7:33 pm

    No he’s not Rob – No one can be Rafa or Roger – two of the finest living legends the sport ever had – Novak can only be one person – Novak Djokovic – he’s an original and he certainly has lots of appeals about his personality – he has injected funnyness and laughs into the serious business of pro tennis – I said this often before – Djokovic has ALI qualities –

  • Jun · April 8, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    Novak is definitely no Rafa/Roger. I Thank God every day for this fact. Go champ!

  • Andrew Miller · April 9, 2016 at 12:49 am

    Djokovic is a great champ. No objections from me. I think he could play riskier tennis when needed – go for more his returns. He’s shown he can do that too.

    I think he’s one of the greatest. Six years ago I thought it was over for the Djoker because he was playing second fiddle to the Roger and Rafa, mostly Rafa, show. Now it is just Djoker.

  • Andrew Miller · April 9, 2016 at 12:56 am

    Think Paul is very good and this crew of young u.s. players is better than Roddick-Fish-Ginepri-Dent-Blake. Sure, a French Open junior title doesn’t make a player a slam champ. But Brian Baker, FO jrs finalist, was the real deal and Fratangelo is pretty solid too. If he stays healthy, I bet he threads the needle and pulls his weight as a promising player. Given that Blake made two quarters and Gienpri a semifinal, I’ll put chips on the Diego Moyano coached Paul to make a French Open quarters sooner than we think.

  • catherine bell · April 9, 2016 at 2:45 am

    I think previews and predictions are good for filling up space when there’s not much going on 🙂

  • Scoop Malinowski · April 9, 2016 at 8:18 am

    Jun: Tennis is very fortunate and lucky to have Djokovic at the top – thanks for sharing your thoughts with us – welcome to the site –

  • Scoop Malinowski · April 9, 2016 at 8:23 am

    Paul definitely impressed in both the singles and the doubles – though they lost to the Bryans they were up a break in the first set and were dead even in the second but he and Opelka both doubled faulted on deciding points late in second set to the ad court – they were very close to actually beating the Bryans – I see BIG futures for both Paul and Opelka – Paul is a showman type player with huge firepower that when he opts to unleash the crowd goes wild – very interesting player – he had Chung staggering – stole that first set from 2-4 down and saved two set points at 4-5 – Paul has different gears and turbo power –

  • Andrew Miller · April 9, 2016 at 2:13 pm

    If Kozlov and Fritz make it through their Japanese opponents Nishioka and Ito, we will have their first pro challenger face off in Guadeloupe. Pretty amazing, they could square off tomorrow in the Caribbean.

    And a U.S. Player will make the finals in Houston. Sock and Isner vs either Monaco or FLopez.

    Sure it is a light week on the tour.

  • Scoop Malinowski · April 9, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    Kozlov beat Fritz at Kalamazoo last year – that would be a huge result for Kozlov to play a $100k Challenger final – he only got in as an ALT – Nishioka is a tough player – lefty and quick as a cat – I saw him give Thiem a good battle in 2R or 3R in Key Biscayne –

  • Andrew Miller · April 9, 2016 at 6:39 pm

    Sock knocks out Isner. Has won 3 of last 4. Now is 3-4 vs the U.S. #1.

  • Rob · April 9, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    Kozlov is through. Love the way he did that.

  • Rob · April 9, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    Clever boy.

  • Dan Markowitz · April 10, 2016 at 6:49 am

    This is an impressive tournament by Kozlov, especially beating Nishioka, who beat Lopez recently and 2 and 2 Rajeev Ram in the prior round of this challenger. Fritz lost to Jaziri, but Kozlov is eating from the big boy’s table again.

    If anyone is interested, Columbia U plays Princeton this Friday at 2 pm at their indoor facility in upper Manhattan. The match will decide the Ivy League champion and there’s no charge. A friend of mine went to see the Lions play Harvard a couple of weeks ago and said like 250 people were there and the atmosphere was charged. I’ll be the guy wearing only the blue Columbia thong and a Venice Beach muscle shirt. Come and say hello.

  • Scoop Malinowski · April 10, 2016 at 8:31 am

    These young guns are doing the Pete Andre Chang Courier routine all over again – one guy scores big then the others get inspired and say I can do that too – and they do it – This week it’s Kozlov – next week at Sarasota Challenger it could be Donaldson Rubin Paul or Tiafoe – good first rounder is Kudla vs Rubin –

  • Rafa N · April 10, 2016 at 3:43 pm

    FLo has never beaten Fed but he beat Novak one time. Had it been reversed Fed would have been the best player. It sounds better to tell your kid you beat the GOAT.

  • Gans · April 10, 2016 at 5:08 pm

    It’s obvious that Djokovic’s best is better than Nadal’s or Federer’s.

    First, Djokovic is a better all court player than Nadal. Proof: Nadal has lost to so many people in the early rounds of Wimbledon. That’s because first week has grass and it exposes Nadal. Whereas, Novak has no such weakness on grass.

    Then let’s talk about Federer. Federer had a weakness against Nadal. Look at the record- it’s so one sided, which is a dent when it comes to all time great type discussion.

    Whereas, Djokovic scores well in this aspect also.

    One of the notable achievements of Novak is beating Nadal 7 times in a row- at a time when it appeared no one was going to stop Nadal from sweeping the field to get to 3 or 4 more slams.

    Djokovic destroyed Nadal and is continuing to do so despite letting him off the hook for a short time in 2013.

    It took this long for tennis pundits to finally come out and say that Novak’s best is better than the other two greats- what I saw coming in 2007!!

    Thankfully, Novak is nothing like Nadal or Federer. He does not have that embarrassingly ugly mannerisms like Nadal. He also does not hide his frustrations- lets it all out on court.

    He is a born entertainer. Most peopleare either Federer or Nadal fans, so obviously it hurts to see someone who beats their champion again, again and again. That’s why Djokovic cut out all thelse entertainment aspects and stuck to winning.

    Once he wins this year’s French, he may become much more efficient and ruthless in his victories and that could propel him to loosen up a bit and start doing impressions and dance etc.

    ND is a multi-talented champion and a born entertainer at the sAmerican time. Very rare to see someone like him. I am so glad that I can embrace ND even though I have been and still is a huge RF fan.

    Trick is to not let our liking for someone affect us from seeing the truth. The next step is to embrace the truth and start enjoying it while it lasts.

    In my books: ND > RN > RF. It doesn’t matter whether RF has 6 more slams than ND or if ND doesn’t win any more slams.

    Cheers,
    Gans

  • Gans · April 10, 2016 at 5:14 pm

    Sorry I typed all of this via my smartphone so apologies for the auto-incorrects and auto-stupid inserts!
    🙂

  • Andrew Miller · April 10, 2016 at 5:40 pm

    Sloane Stephens wins 3rd title of year. For someone knocked constantly for her performance, I mean, three titles in 2016!

    Monaco d. Sock to win Houston. Looks like it was quite a match.

  • Scoop Malinowski · April 10, 2016 at 6:04 pm

    Rafa N: But F LO says he feels Djokovic’s level is beyond Federer’s – yes he beat Djokovic by retirement because of eye injury and yes he was playing very well but it was not a true win – and F LO lost in straight sets to Djokovic a few weeks later – It’s a very fine line of super tennis talent and it’s of course very hard to say which player is superior but so far both Rafa and F LO have said Djokovic’s best is better than Federer’s and I believe no player has spoken out to say that Fed’s best is superior to Djokovic – it’s an interesting topic to discuss – thanks for your comments and welcome to the site –

  • Scoop Malinowski · April 10, 2016 at 6:08 pm

    Gans perfectly said – I agree with every single sentence you just wrote – thank you – and hope everything is going nicely for you and your family in Kentucky –

  • Scoop Malinowski · April 10, 2016 at 6:09 pm

    Sloane is blossoming nicely right now into a major champion – she is cleaning up titles now and I think she is inspired by the opening with Serena’s slight dip and Sharapova’s hiatus – Sloane can handle Azarenka and I believe Sloane has to go all out to win Paris – this is HER GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY – Incredibly entertaining and weird final in Houston – going to pen a report about it –

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