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Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by DarthFed, Jun 25, 2015.

  1. DarthFed

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    Damn, they got Butler for pretty cheap. Minny is going to be a powerhouse in a year or two.
     
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    the AntiPusher Grand Slam Champion

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    Da Bulls are a cheap dumbass organization that got lucky Rod Thorn drafted Jordan before he bolted from that god forsaken group of derelicts. They will become the Pelicans or sixers of the past 10 plus years.WHO gives up an all star top 15 two way player just to move up 9 spots of draft position plus give up their first round pick
     
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    This offseason continues to be crazy. CP3 was just dealt to the Rockets. I honestly think this is the 2nd worst fit in the NBA for Chris Paul next to being traded to the Thunder. Harden needs to dominate the ball to be effective. I don't see him wanting to share that role with CP3 and he is not really great without the ball.

    I saw this article today and it explains a lot: http://deadspin.com/report-chris-paul-hated-austin-and-doc-rivers-1796493696

    I like Doc Rivers but I've felt he has been majorly overrated for a long time. The Clips are done now and they will likely show him the door soon.
     
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    Thought this article was really interesting...
    https://hoopshabit.com/2017/07/08/d...ssness-biggest-reason-for-warriors-greatness/
    Particularly this bit...
    "Many people rank basketball players based on how many areas of the game they dominate. Durant is better than Curry at protecting the rim, guarding the perimeter, rebounding, attacking the basket and getting to the free throw line. Curry is better at shooting, ball handling and passing. Hence, Durant is the better player.

    But that doesn’t explain how a hobbled Curry was able to lead his team to a playoff series victory over a team led by a healthy Durant last year. It doesn’t explain why the Cavs chose, unrelentingly, to let Durant beat them instead of Curry. It doesn’t explain why the Warriors were +19.6 with Curry on the court during the postseason and -3.3 with him off, compared to +15.9 with Durant and +9.0 without him. During the regular season, those numbers were +18.5 and -2.2 for Curry, compared to +16.5 and +6.2 for Durant."

    Anyone disagree?
     
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    It is an interesting article. But +/- can often be overrated even when comparing two players on the same team. Curry and Durant are both phenomenal but I do think KD is the better player for sure. He is a better scorer and all-around player. The man is scary efficient and can't really be stopped. Too quick for anyone bigger to handle and too tall and long even for LeBron and other great wing defenders to stop. He can shoot over the top of a shorter player all day and drive right around a taller guy. It's really that simple.

    And he has improved all-around. I was impressed with his defense in the finals. Curry is more than just a great shooter too but he can be a liability on defense. He is underrated as a facilitator though. I have tons of respect for both of them but KD is the only guy in the league where if you have the choice between him and LeBron you maybe think about it for more than a split second...and then you still choose LeBron. That's my fancy way of saying he's a pretty close 2nd best player in the league.
     
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    I agree he's a better individual player, there's no question about that. I guess my thinking is, who would you rather build a team around? Asked another way, would the Warriors have become the team they are now if they had had KD and not Steph. The fact that injured he was still able to beat OKC in that close WC final the year before last is compelling to me. I know we can blame Westbrook for quite a bit of that, but it takes something special to be a leader, and somehow Steph has it. Also, I agree Steph isn't the two way player that a KD, or Lebron or Kawhi are, I think that Steph is underrated as a defensive player because of his lack of physicality. He's right up there in steals, and gets a decent amount of rebounds as well. But where he's truly underrated is how his defensive positioning often makes it much tougher for attackers to get the job done. In this less physical league it's actually more about positioning these days than people like to admit. I think there's a great romance about the greater physicality of the past, that's not what the league requires in this new era. Just a thought...
     
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    Yeah it is truly possible that the Warriors would not have been nearly as great with just KD and not Curry. Clearly they all play amazing as a team and that was the case before Durant arrived. But I think if you have this same scenario across the league "with KD instead of Curry" most teams would be better off. But even that's tough to prove. It's definitely not like KD is much better than Curry or vice versa. It is close enough to argue.

    I wouldn't use OKC against KD, that was maybe the worst team in the league for him to be on because Westbrook is delusional enough to think he is a better scoring option than Durant. That's the main reason that team underachieved.
     
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    That's true. It's amazing the fall from grace Curry has had though. One minute he's getting unanimous MVP, then he gets killed for losing the final, and gets no pass whatsoever despite his obvious injury
     
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