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Bye Bye Indian Wells 2020

The 2020 edition of the BNParibas Open has been cancelled. Because the players risk concerns about the Corona virus. As of now the Miami Open is still on.

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  • catherine · March 9, 2020 at 2:32 am

    As there is hardly any country in the tennis playing world which is not affected to some extent by corona virus the ITF will have to make some big decisions – either continue on an ad hoc basis, as F1 seems to be doing, cancel all events in affected areas or play behind closed doors for a TV audience.

    There are cases in the Miami area now so I’d expect that to be cancelled too.

  • catherine · March 9, 2020 at 6:30 am

    On latest news I’d predict no tournaments in Italy and probably no Monte Carlo. In Britain football is still being played before crowds. So we hope for the best for everyone.

  • Jon King · March 9, 2020 at 6:56 am

    Yes, I would be shocked if Miami does not follow suit. Our state is on edge as we have a high population of elderly which are more vulnerable to the virus.

  • Scoop Malinowski · March 9, 2020 at 7:40 am

    Im willing to take the risk and cover miami. Reservations already made. Hope they do play it. Something fishy about this corona stuff. A man made diabolical scheme to crash an economy of a successful president in an election year? Put nothing past these demonrats.

  • catherine · March 9, 2020 at 8:25 am

    Scoop – your comment is beyond belief. Please remember that the US is not the only country in the world nor is it the most affected by the virus.

    Can we keep your personal political beliefs off this site ? Otherwise it is going to get a bad reputation and will lose readers. There are plenty of sites around where your outlandish ideas will find a comfortable home.

  • Scoop Malinowski · March 9, 2020 at 8:34 am

    Catherine, why haven’t other tournaments been cancelled? I am not fully convinced about this so called virus. I’m more interested in finding justice for all the underage girls Prince Andrew and Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeff Epstein raped and sacrificed, a story which has been covered up by this virus story. The elites needed a story to cover some stories they want/need buried. Presto. Why not stage the tournament with no fans? Can still make TV revenues.

  • catherine · March 9, 2020 at 8:44 am

    Scoop – I think you’ll find other sporting events, including tennis tournaments, have been cancelled or are taking place behind closed doors. Recent Davis Cup in Japan for example. Read the news. There is no ‘fake virus’ – it’s real and people are dying of it.

    The other stuff you mention, once again, has no place on this site.

  • Scoop Malinowski · March 9, 2020 at 8:57 am

    NHL NBA NCAA and baseball practice games all going on as scheduled. Boxing events in US all going on. NASCAR races all being raced. All the sudden a big tennis tournament gets cancelled. Something is not adding up here.

  • Hartt · March 9, 2020 at 9:12 am

    But what will happen when the actual baseball season starts, with so many fans in one stadium?

  • catherine · March 9, 2020 at 9:44 am

    You will find that as the year goes on and until the epidemic peaks (or doesn’t) events will be cancelled, relocated or closed to spectators.

    IW was cancelled because many older people in the area would be there, and as Jon mentioned above, the elderly are more vulnerable. Better safe than sorry as they say – and viruses love crowds – gets them partying like nothing else.

    My view – IW organisers listened to their lawyers, saw possible lawsuits down the line and chopped the tournament.

  • catherine · March 9, 2020 at 10:02 am

    https://www.ubitennis.net/2020/03/indian-wells-gets-cancelled-will-miami-open-follow-suit/

    Some information here about other tennis events which have been cancelled.

  • Hartt · March 9, 2020 at 10:11 am

    The Ultra Music Festival in Miami was already cancelled. France is not allowing gatherings of more than 1000 people. Parts of northern Italy are in virtual lock down.

    Scoop, this is not a hoax!

  • Andrew Miller · March 9, 2020 at 10:14 am

    Thank god for Harold. Cracks me up.

    As for everything else, it won’t be so funny when the French Open is cancelled.

  • Andrew Miller · March 9, 2020 at 10:17 am

    Sorry, if/when the French is cancelled. I don’t want to go there – this is going to wreak serious short term havoc on the tour and the players. Indian Wells just set a standard, so whatever happens from here on out is totally unchartered territory no matter what anyone believes about things completely unrelated. What matter is the tennis, and we’re probably going to see a lot less of it for a while.

  • Hartt · March 9, 2020 at 10:25 am

    A NY Times article described what it is like in Milan now. The death toll in Italy is rising.

    “That’s the kind of world we’re in now. In just two weeks, all the usual certainties have gone. It’s been a spiritual exercise in letting go. You paid for season ticket on the subway, now you realize subway travel is the surest way of getting the disease. You have a subscription to the gym, the gym is closed. So is the cinema. Your tickets for concerts and football games are useless. Your children can’t go to school. Or university. Even mass is canceled.”

  • Andrew Miller · March 9, 2020 at 12:38 pm

    No worries, Harold. For what it’s worth this isn’t a great site for politics. I’m back for the tennis, hopefully laugh off the rest of it because it’s disrespectful of the sport. Trying not to encourage it. I like the free flowing talk about tennis.

    It’s pretty serious to see a lot of tournaments cancelled, and that’s a real in tennis’ face issue. Blame it on the universe, that’s not going to do one thing at all to affect the sport’s calendar – this is ripping up the tour.

    The only thing I can say is that Bianca Andreescu, among other things, may be able to defend her IW title. It’s pathetic to write that, but it’s kind of funny because I made such a fuss about her returning, when she returns, will she be able to defend blah blah blah. But here we are in this surreal situation and yeah, know what, Andreescu might be defending her title after all.

    Who could predict that. That’s assuming tennis isn’t cancelled forever*

    *it won’t be. But hey, who could have imagined. IW cancelled!!!

  • Andrew Miller · March 9, 2020 at 12:49 pm

    Think Scoop is overwhelmed with non-tennis. I get it. I like politics too, but it often stirs people into a frenzy. I’ve seen some families disintegrate over it (when I say some families, I mean my relatives. And yes, they go off the deep end every time, and so do I). I think it you want to discuss tennis in a better way, gotta keep out all the other stuff.

    Sports can be affected by politics (see the case of the Israeli players like Shahar Peer that weren’t allowed to play the Dubai tournament some years back and Roddick’s decision to basically give them the middle finger and decline to defend, which gave them a black eye and therefore they reversed course and allowed the Israeli players to participate). But this isn’t one of those times.

    This is a full blown epidemic. And it is hurting the sport. And that is a shame.

  • catherine · March 9, 2020 at 1:33 pm

    Andrew – the sport will survive – it survived two World Wars and this epidemic is awful but no doubt will burn itself out eventually.

    We’ll find other things to talk about. Meanwhile there’s always Youtube.

    Doesn’t bother me Bianca will or won’t defend – I just want her back playing. There’s only about half a dozen WTA players I’d cross the road to see and she’s one of them.

  • Dan Markowitz · March 9, 2020 at 2:05 pm

    Scoop,

    I know you think Obama and Hilary were in on the pedophilia kinkiness scam too. But the coronavirus unfortunately, is not a hoax. The amount of people already who have died, are in self-quarantine or trapped on cruise ships, the sick is unbelievable. Look, I won’t mention Trump’s name. What he said about people who were sick with the virus going on and living their lives, even going to work, was deluded beyond belief, let’s ignore Trump.

    I own a yoga studio. Our number of students taking classes has dropped precipitously. People are even afraid of doing hot yoga. I guess they think if someone gets sweat on them they’re going to get the virus. I personally think doing yoga, strengthening one’s immune system and de-stressing in these stressful times, is very important.

    I imagine that the threat isn’t to these young athletes in peak conditions, but as a number of people on this site have suggested, the danger is to the elderly and if you’ve even gone to Indian Wells, there are a lot of elderly out there.

    But the stock market hasn’t crashed and sporting events have not pulled out because the New York Times, some liberal failing rag according to Trump, is flaming this virus out of thin air.

  • Andrew Miller · March 9, 2020 at 2:06 pm

    Catherine, gotta admit I would not cross the road for Putinseva. She is fiesty, but I had a tough time watching her play…she threw her racquet constantly and it wasn’t a fun match. On the men’s side there were a few players that were harder to watch than others as well.

    I’d cross the road for a lot of players. All depends on what’s on tap. It was tough to watch Isner play anyone, it was hard to watch Karlovic as well. I am glad they are around, but it was a little tough after admiring the trajectory of their ball and that they would be serving from mountain-tops. I think it’s kind of like the days of Brenda Schultz. She’d hit these huge serves and then was shaky when the ball came back 🙂

  • Scoop Malinowski · March 9, 2020 at 3:48 pm

    Putintseva is a fighter and super ferocious. She unleashes verbally on umpires sometimes in Russian. A Russian journo told me what she said to the heavy set female ump and it is simply not repeatable. If it came out what she said, she would be suspended for six months or worse than Fognini said to the female chair ump.

  • Jef · March 9, 2020 at 4:26 pm

    I don’t think the Democrats would have hatched it but probably the Chinese along with Putin. The plot is to sink the U.S. economy by lowering oil prices and also to use the internet to control our minds.

  • Jeff · March 9, 2020 at 4:52 pm

    Another theory is Federer created coronavirus to get the French Open canceled to preserve his Grand Slam record!

    WHy are comments being deleted. Coronavirus?

  • Andrew Miller · March 9, 2020 at 4:57 pm

    Scoop, Putinseva wrecked a racquet when I saw her. She was playing Usue Arconada. The name should ring a bell for some on this site. Putinseva is ferocious, and she is insane on court. A tough out for anyone, which is to her credit as she competes a level up. Just unpleasant, but no one should be out there making friends.

  • Scoop Malinowski · March 9, 2020 at 8:43 pm

    Andrew, Borg said you have to hate your opponent. Fact of tennis, you simply have to hate everyone on the court. Borg wisdown. Putintseva is a vicious beast on court, but the sweetest thing off court. Lovely biofile at miami open last year. Adorable girl funny witty pretty. Off the court that is.

  • Scoop Malinowski · March 9, 2020 at 8:46 pm

    Dan google obama and maggie nixon. and google hillary huma #frazzledrip.

  • Scoop Malinowski · March 9, 2020 at 8:46 pm

    Miami Open statement says they are planning on running the tournament. Good news. Hopeful #miamistrong

  • Dan Markowitz · March 9, 2020 at 9:23 pm

    Scoop,

    I want you to stop right now. We said no politics on this site. Be a grownup and stick to the rule.

  • KO · March 9, 2020 at 9:54 pm

    Too much politics. Stick to the tennis, maybe I’ll give it a shot again in six months.

  • Jeff · March 9, 2020 at 10:16 pm

    Maybe the rape comments should be on their own post and not on the tennis posts? We can have two sections, one for tennis and one for conspiracies and rape.

  • Jeff · March 9, 2020 at 10:38 pm

    In some news actually about tennis, Nike has finally allowed Roger Federer to use the RF logo and it is now the property of Federer.

    This opens up the logo to use by Uniqlo and expect the crazed Fed fan base to snap up as much of the new gear as possible as we celebrate the final years of his unbelievable career and for his contributions to the sport and to society.

  • catherine · March 10, 2020 at 2:13 am

    Apropos the confused mindset of tennis ‘stars’ Kerber celebrated International Womens’ Day by posting an IG showing herself doing not what she is famous for but rather posed in a glamour shot which calls to mind glossy movie pics of the 1950s. Angie – looking pretty isn’t actually an achievement. Neither has it much to do with ‘equality’. Lot to do with sponsorships though.

    Also,I’ll be interested in the reactions of players everywhere as the virus situation unfolds across the world. So far, some are concerned and generous, some seem to be thinking mainly of themselves and their rankings. I assume rankings and points will be compensated in some way.

  • catherine · March 10, 2020 at 2:22 am

    Re Miami – if it goes ahead with coronavirus in the area it will take only one person to catch it and sue the tournament for negligence………..

  • Scoop Malinowski · March 10, 2020 at 9:07 am

    How could the tournament be liable for negligence? It’s going to be as safe and clean as they can make it. Nobody is forcing any one to go to watch Miami Open tennis. Just do the best they can to organize the event and hope for the best. Maybe give out free oranges and vitamin c packets to fans to boost strong immune. That’s the word, go heavy on vit c – carrots, oranges, sweet potatos, vit c powder, broccoli, greens, red peppers. Recommend all readers to load up on these foot items for strong immune.

  • catherine · March 10, 2020 at 9:35 am

    The virus doesn’t care what you eat.

  • Scoop Malinowski · March 10, 2020 at 9:56 am

    A strong immune system can fight off germs bacteria and illness. Also put vaseline into your nostrils, this also will catch any bad germs and prevent it from entering your system. No I’m not a doctor but I have friends who are and gave me these valuable advices which I generously share to all regardless of political positions 🙂

  • George · March 10, 2020 at 10:06 am

    “Put nothing past these demonrats.”

    Agree with you Scoop. Anything Trump does will will be attacked by the mob. The demonrats, so hungry for power, will tax every cent of hard working people because they know how to spend your money better than you do. They want to dictate every aspect of your life from cradle to grave using the power of big government to do so.

    Trump may be a blustery narcissist, but he is a firewall to protect the individual against the collective. Ayn Rand’s The Fountainhead has come to life. Howard Roark was put to trial by the mob just like Trump. Read the book. It is shocking to see real life play out the same.

  • catherine · March 10, 2020 at 10:24 am

    I thought there were to be no more politics on this site. Obviously I was wrong.

    There are plenty of political sites available for people who share Scoop’s views.

    I’ll be taking a break from T-P until the discussions return to tennis. Nothing for me here. And I can’t believe anyone reads Ayn Rand these days. Let alone take her reprehensible views seriously.

  • George · March 10, 2020 at 10:36 am

    “And I can’t believe anyone reads Ayn Rand these days.”

    Lol! Classic comment from the over-educated liberal cat lady…

  • Scoop Malinowski · March 10, 2020 at 11:00 am

    George Peppard you were superb in Breakfast at Tiffany’s and in your recent comments. Keep up the fine work.

  • David · March 10, 2020 at 11:08 am

    I think Catherine raises a good point about the ranking points. I realize the cancellation of the IW event was (or seemed) somewhat abrupt and just dealing with the public health, legal and public relations concerns likely took up most of their time & energies, but has anyone read/heard how the ranking points will be considered? Are they to just drop off, “naturally”? Or, placed on a kind of “hold” until whenever the event is played? My guess is whatever is decided will be conjunction and collaboration with the WTA & ATP since we may well have other tournament cancellations and/or postponements and, if so, will want to be uniform in their applications. I know (Tommy) Haas stated they will look to an open date(s) later in the calendar to “reinsert” the IW tourney, but for such a lengthy event I think he may have expressed more wishful thinking than any cogent ruminations.

  • Hartt · March 10, 2020 at 11:08 am

    I thought we had an agreement that there wouldn’t be posts about politics on this site. I have to agree with Catherine, and am taking a break from Tennis-Prose and hope that things change.

    Surely those of you who want to talk about Trump etc., can find somewhere else to have those discussions. There must be many appropriate sites.

  • Scoop Malinowski · March 10, 2020 at 11:27 am

    David, maybe they can have a condensed mini version of the IW event, like one set matches all the way to the finals or thet 4 game short set. Cram it into a week or less. I’m sure everyone would be happy with such a format even if it’s in November, hey I’m going to IW in November for a WTT nationals tournament and to visit a friend and family, how convenient! I like very much the idea of holding the tournament after us open or late in the year. The whole thing sounds so strange that they cancelled the event for one case.

  • David · March 10, 2020 at 11:59 am

    I just briefly scanned the ATP site for upcoming tournaments (and I realize IW is both a mens AND womens event) and I cannot, realistically, see how they could squeeze the IW in (unless your suggestion for a shorter draw and/or sets is used, Scoop). I can’t imagine they would want to wait until December to play it (and don’t know what the weather/conditions would be like, either). Ironically, the only semi-realistic time period for a rescheduling would be if the Olympics are canceled. Of course, the public health concerns would have to have abated in the Indian Wells area by then and, too, I imagine it would be nearly impossible to play on the over-heated desert courts that time of year (late July) unless they wanted to begin the “day’s” scheduling at like 7pm, or later. Unsure how many fans on the grounds would show up for such a thing but my money is on we shan’t see the Indian Wells event until next March.

  • Andrew Miller · March 10, 2020 at 12:27 pm

    Tennis Prose died again. Guess I’ll hit up the podcasts, catch up on Match Point Canada!

  • Dan Markowitz · March 10, 2020 at 2:57 pm

    George,

    Go off and read some more Ayn Rand, but unless you’re talking tennis, don’t post on this site or I’ll reject your post. Ok, you get the point?

    Now, back to tennis, it really is a shame no live tennis on the Tennis Channel. I had no idea how much I enjoy and rely on the station to give me my daily dose of live tennis. Watching re-run tennis matches is no fun mostly. At least, I get to watch my son play tennis although we’re supposed to go to to Amelia Island for a tournament in ten days and I don’t know if they’ll cancel it.

  • Scoop Malinowski · March 10, 2020 at 2:59 pm

    Your e always welcome back.

  • jg · March 10, 2020 at 3:46 pm

    you would think they won’t cancel challenger tournaments, hardly any fans attend! if they don’t, the challenger tournaments will have higher ranked players, making it difficult for the lower ranked ones to even get in a tournament. I heard on the Noah Rubin podcast, he intends to play a futures in Orlando soon and Bijorn Frantagelo as well, thus a trickle down effect. what’s the rule, anyone ranked outside the top 10 can play a challenger?

  • Scoop Malinowski · March 10, 2020 at 3:52 pm

    How did Cal do with Rudy Quon?

  • Jeff · March 10, 2020 at 11:44 pm

    I am going to join the others and leave the site too. And I voted for Trump but I think he is too erratic and wish the GOP would nominate someone else to thwart the Dumbocrats. Because when he went after John McCain, he went too far and there are far classier people in out party. That was ridiculous.

    Having said that, the Dumbocrats will definitely lose to them because of the stooges they have selected. The Warren lady was their best hope but the sexist Dumbocrats made sure she wouldn’t make it.

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